While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Required fields are marked *. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. What to consider when bending golf clubs. Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. TM TPx. ENTER NOW! It wasn't so much the distance I was concerned with but that I hit it a bit too high with a normal swing and it caused some issues on windy days. I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Great answer Blake. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. i dont need that. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. With added ball speed comes more launch. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More. Thanks for the insight! Lots of good comments here. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. ProV1x-mostly. In some cases "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. Your email address will not be published. You will see it often when a pro, for example, will eliminate his 4 iron from the set and they may strengthen their 5 iron a degree or two and weaken their 3 iron a degree or two to even out the gaps. Among full-swing clubs, drivers have the lowest degrees of loft (some pros use drivers with as little as 7 degrees of loft; most recreational golfers use drivers lofted at 9 to 14 degrees). Here are common ball flight issues if you are playing the wrong lie angle: Unfortunately, club manufacturing companies sometimes use different lie angles for their clubs. Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! Product Instructions & Manuals Now if you take some of the modern GI irons with the thick sole and rounded leading edge (Infiniti brand Assure comes to mind) you can de loft or strong loft it 3 or 4 degrees with no problem at all. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. Odyssey Pro #1 black In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. Best Shaft For Wedges, Need A New Golf Glove? By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. Some 5-irons are 27. In between, the Aussie came home fast to be 18th in Cam Smiths Australian PGA, and although he missed the cut at his home Open, sat in the top-10 after an opening 65. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? The MB and CB clubs you have need a bit more loft to get the ball launched well. well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. United States. Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood For this discussion, lets define proficiency as the level where you can reasonably expect to move the ball around the course efficiently and consistently enough to shoot 90 or better, though your own goals might be somewhere lower. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. I did this several years ago and it ended up being quite expensive, so dont be me and order your custom set all at once! It flies lower and that is about it. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! An Aussie with a residence in Scottsdale, playing on a windy coastal track this is a great chance. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. I've bent tons of clubs. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? Clear editor. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. Your email address will not be published. Great article! December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. (I ran into this today.) I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Reset Password After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. PING Forged wedges Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. Thanks! It's a club you pick off the turf anyway. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. But if a high spin player gets a 15 launch and 6000 RPM with a 115 MPH ball speed with a 5-iron, then whats wrong with that? Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver By All Rights Reserved. Free shipping for many products! They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. Well gee, I guess if you cant get a 7 iron in the air, you really do need some help haha. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Pasted as rich text. Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. The reason this happens has to do with an iron's center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an iron's COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. The palms should be aligned, that is so that the two Vs formed by your thumb and forefinger should point in the same direction, whether a bit weak or strong from the neutral position. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. Chamblee takes on Tiger: Brandel, meet Bayless, Tweets of the week: Lizards, grammar police, bad greens, worse sunglasses. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. I am in favor of weaker lofts. Upload or insert images from URL. So, I am now waiting for a major brand to market and advertise that their new, weaker lofts will add distance for most golfers. But loft is a much more important factor in fitting. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. Privacy Policy Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. Upload or insert images from URL. It just depends. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. The lightweight speed designs dont seem to help the everyday golfer from the examples I see out on the course. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. More photos from the event here. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 If you can get it in the air, no problem. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. Some get more spin, some less. I meant decrease loft and make stronger. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. The club was designed and built with certain characteristics. And why really do you need to do it besides being able to brag about hitting the ball farther? Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. What does the average golfer look like? Well break down what the average golfer (male golfer) looks like and offers data that can be used to benchmark your game against. You cannot paste images directly. These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. Your previous content has been restored. The two things are diametrically opposed in meaning of course. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Currently I play a set of old-school Ping Eye 2s, which I love, but I want the benefits of modern irons and forged heads. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. Justin Rose posts mysterious custom JR irons on Instagram. having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. What the heck are they were talking about? How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? That means someone who has a ballflight thats too low, he delivers the head with less loft than needed, and by that less than the design of the head is meant to be played with, so he cant go wrong by tweaking lofts weaker. Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. I even fitted a customer with a new SLDR and put him in a 12 degree head with a TP shaft. Sitemap. LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. Will I be digging too much? The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. I know it will increase the bounce. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight.
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